WestWind Airlines

I am new to the Toronto (CYYZ) hub. Most of the flights I do are regionally based. So I'll fly from Toronto to lets say Ottawa on one flight. Now the next time I start up flight sim. I am in Ottawa and must fly back to Toronto if I want to do another flight (ie Toronto to Montreal). I just don't magically start again in Toronto and fly to Montreal. Is this normal? Or proper?

I ask this because I am interested in flying charters and a lot of the charters have starting points other than Toronto. So for example, if I want to do the scenic vfr charter tour to Walt Disney Land, by my procedures I'd have to fly out of Toronto and go direct to the staring airport as one leg, then start my second leg as the actual charter, and then a third leg to get back to my home base hub.

 Does anyone else do this?

Anthony is it? (it's an unspoken rule to put your name in the post if you don't have it in your signature or login)

Personally I also like to keep it realistic, flying only from where I've landed. However ... in exceptional cases (big WW events or group flights and I really can't make it there in time) there's always the "jump seat". In real world pilots may need to re-locate as well, in which case they can catch a ride on a company aircraft in the jump seat.

Then again, for the case you describe (relocating for a charter) almost all charters, as far as I can remember, stipulate that you can leave from any hub to go pick up your virtual passengers. Hence you can log your relocation flight under the same charter number as your "main" charter flight. So your relocation flight is entirely loggable AND you have the adventure of making a cross-country flight, including re-fuelling stops along the way. A great way to log hours, and you'll probably get to visit a lot of places you wouldn't otherwise visit if you took the bigger (higher cat rating) birds.

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Paul Haubourdin
WSSS HM
Command Captain
W7/FSX/ASA/LVLD/PMDG/CS/...
+800hrs VATSIM
Mil ATC & CPL-H

A runway is nothing but a waste of good parking space ... Real pilots only need an H to land on!

According to the rules, you don't have to start a flight from where you landed, its totally optional, but as Paul has said, it adds realism to it and makes it more enjoyable. I'm starting to fly charters more and more now and it is very hard to get a charter from the airport you landed in, so what I plan to do (as paul has said) is get a "jumpseat" to where I need to go...

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Eoin Coates,
VP-Hub Ops-E&P

I landed a 727 on a runway I had major trouble taking off from on one of the generated charters ;) (even with no cargo, near empty fuel and nice wind).

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WWA2404 - Alexander Worton

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As has been stated above you are able to fly out of where ever to where ever but I also like the realism of only leaving from where I've been. For instance I timed it out so that I would end up flying back to the Denver Hub just in time for my training for CAT V upgrade, I just don't feel right about skipping around. For me the "Jumpseat" is for emergencys and special situations only! But thats me... you are free to fly as you wish. That is the beauty of WestWind. You are free to be as realistic as you want to be. We don't force it on you!

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Catagory V pilot (some realworld experience)
FSX + FSpax

I follow that rule myself.  Of course if I am currently at JFK and there is a flight I want going out of LGA or Newark, I don't fly the connection, I mean realistically these airports are a 15-30 minute drive apart.

 I wonder if I can log subway time...or perhaps I should just get MS Train simulator.

 Even for training at Denver, I try to book a few passenger flights going out there.

NY Drew:

 Even for training at Denver, I try to book a few passenger flights going out there.

Yeah heading out to Denver for Training and returning from the choses destination of your Check Ride is something I dont even try to fly. Book a seat right away.

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-David Givens
WWA2276

I mean I actually fly the passenger flights.  Good for quite a few hours RT.

NY Drew:

I follow that rule myself.  Of course if I am currently at JFK and there is a flight I want going out of LGA or Newark, I don't fly the connection, I mean realistically these airports are a 15-30 minute drive apart.

 I wonder if I can log subway time...or perhaps I should just get MS Train simulator.

 Even for training at Denver, I try to book a few passenger flights going out there.

What I do when the two airports are so close together is fly a helo (usually the Jetranger) to the other airport and maybe take a sightseeing side trip.

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Ed Bleck - WWA 843
Singapore Hub (WSSS)

"I'd rather die while I am living than live when I am dead." Jimmy Buffet

I agree with all help above and add a pilot may also catch a ride with a private pilot.

So many airports. So many aircraft. So little time. 

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Raoul V WWA611 LAX
Primarily flying Angel Flight Charters P004
Retired from WWA Charter Division

Another option is to use the Random Charter link  (http://www.flywestwind.com/Charters/generate_random_charter.asp) to assign you a charter.  You can't pick the destination though, just your starting point, aircraft and maximum distance.   Once you've entered those three parameters you hit the "generate" button and it will create an option for you to consider.   

 I hit it over and over (and over and over and over and over) until I get a flight that takes me to my desired destination or at least in the right direction where I can start another hop and eventually get where I want to go.  Pick your max distance based on your desired destination rather than the range of your chosen aircraft.   The beauty is all of the info is system generated and tracked through the system just as though it was a regularly scheduled flight.

If you really want to get where you want to go you can manually create any cargo or passenger flight from any point A to point B of your choice and just log it in the PIREP (http://www.flywestwind.com/FlightLog/sign_out.asp)  you'll just have to determine your own load out and won't get credited for weights and passengers but the flight itself and the hours will still count for your stats if you're into that sort of thing.

As others have said, the wonderful thing about WestWind is we can fly as realistically as we like or just randomly fly from and to anywhere we want.

 

What if you fly into a city where we have other airports close by, say NY. Lets say you fly into LGA can you fly out of JFK?

I know some of our crews do that when they lay over in NY, or MIA.

Thanks

John

AHM/KSFO

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John

John Oddo:

What if you fly into a city where we have other airports close by, say NY. Lets say you fly into LGA can you fly out of JFK?

I know some of our crews do that when they lay over in NY, or MIA.

Thanks

John

AHM/KSFO

Sure John...though it's a pretty pricey cab ride from LGA to JFK (or you can wait for the WestWind shuttle bus to take you over there).

Seriously, it's all about how 'realistic' YOU want to make it.  You could do a flight from NY to London, then a scenic charter flight around Oahu in a C-172.  If you want to keep it more realistic, great.  In the real world I don't think it would be unheard of for someone to fly into LGA and leave from JFK...the real question there - that I don't know the answer to - is how many airlines operate out of both of those?  With the same equipment etc?  Would a real world pilot even have that problem?  Maybe not.  WestWind's global dominance offers pilots a lot of choice & opportunity!

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Matt Smith, WWA2218, CAT IV
Rio de Janeiro (SBGL) Hub
FSX Acceleration/Vista64

Hmmm   Global Dominance.  I like it!

and then again you could ask Scotty to beam you to where ever you need to be. LOL!

Seriously, as stated above it is amater of how realilestic you want to be or don't want to be

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Sean McConnell
WWA659
P287 InProgress