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Landing a 737 without causing a crash - FSX - FSPassengers

Last post 05-31-2009, 3:27 AM by Chloesdad. 6 replies.
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  •  05-30-2009, 12:39 PM 25472

    Landing a 737 without causing a crash - FSX - FSPassengers

    I have recently purchsed FSPassengers and I am having a huge problem landing a 737-800. I decend to the DH on autopilot at about 700-800fpm at 180KIAS, I slow to 140 on final with full flaps, but this causes the nose up 5deg without reducing the decent rate. I then turn off the autothrottle and reduce thrust to idle and flare to land, This causes the plane to rise and then plummet to the ground in excess of 1000 fpm.

     What am I doing wrong???


    George Forster
    WWA2379
    Cat 4 Pilot
    HM Amsterdam (EHAM)
    Sim - FSX
    Addons - Radar Contact, FS PassengersX
  •  05-30-2009, 12:48 PM 25473 in reply to 25472

    Re: Landing a 737 without causing a crash - FSX - FSPassengers

    My guess is your coming in a little slow... Come on final with a bit of speed 170-180 kts, then touchdown around 130-140... 140 on final is a little slow... Also you could try 30 degrees of flap as opposed to full, usually works for me... Don't be afraid of her on final, its a machine, bring her in fast!


    Eoin Coates


  •  05-30-2009, 1:43 PM 25475 in reply to 25473

    Re: Landing a 737 without causing a crash - FSX - FSPassengers

    Thanks Eoin,

    I'll gve it a try


    George Forster
    WWA2379
    Cat 4 Pilot
    HM Amsterdam (EHAM)
    Sim - FSX
    Addons - Radar Contact, FS PassengersX
  •  05-30-2009, 2:42 PM 25476 in reply to 25473

    Re: Landing a 737 without causing a crash - FSX - FSPassengers

    Eoin Coates:

    My guess is your coming in a little slow... Come on final with a bit of speed 170-180 kts, then touchdown around 130-140... 140 on final is a little slow... Also you could try 30 degrees of flap as opposed to full, usually works for me... Don't be afraid of her on final, its a machine, bring her in fast!

    Uh, I usually fly 150kts from the marker inbound in a 747-400......140 knots does not sound unreasonable to me in the 737-800, at lighter weights I would bet the Vref is even slower than that (at really low weights, the Vref in the 727-200 was 112 knots, and we flew the final approach at Vref+10 knots). 

    The key to landing the big jets well is coordinating the power reduction with the roundout and flare.  Do not pull any power off until you are very close to the runway.  RW in the 727 and 737-200 I would hold the power on there until around 20 feet on the radar altimeter, at that point I would slowly pull the power off so as to arrive at idle power just as the mains touch down.  Not much pitch change was required maybe a degree or two.  In the 727 we would actually relax the back pressure right before touchdown as this resulted in a better landing.

    Part of your descent rate on the glideslope is your speed.  The faster you fly final, the higher the descent rate will be to maintain the 3 degree path.  Don't be afraid of flying the big airplanes at what seem like slow speeds, this is how they were designed to fly and achieve the performance numbers that they have.  I'll hunt around and see if I can find a speed table for the -800 somewhere, 170 to 180 inside the marker is asking for a long landing.  If you want the best and shortest landing distances you have to be on speed from at a minimum 500' agl........



    EHAM-YSSY B772LR
    ATP, CFI, CFII & MEI, CL30, 727, 737-200, DC-9
    FS9, Active Sky 6.5 w/ASG, FSPax
  •  05-30-2009, 3:53 PM 25479 in reply to 25476

    Re: Landing a 737 without causing a crash - FSX - FSPassengers

    Thanks for the tips guys, here is my latest effort

    Report:

    Flight Distance: 26 Nm Landing Speed: 138.91 kt

    Time Airborne: 00h20:38 Landing Touchdown: -269.23 ft/m (nice)

    Flight Time (block): 00h35:26 Landing Pitch: 4.81°

    Time On Ground: 00h18:41 Landing Weight: 63403 kg

    Average Speed: 79.17 kt Total Fuel Used: 2117 kg

     

    Now to see if I can do it on a proper flight :)


    George Forster
    WWA2379
    Cat 4 Pilot
    HM Amsterdam (EHAM)
    Sim - FSX
    Addons - Radar Contact, FS PassengersX
  •  05-31-2009, 2:51 AM 25489 in reply to 25479

    Re: Landing a 737 without causing a crash - FSX - FSPassengers

    Great Job George! She is an amazing bird to fly, so simple!! I've clocked up well over 100 hours in the 737-800, and ever minute was well worth it! Sure look at my signature!! Stick out tongue
    Eoin Coates


  •  05-31-2009, 3:27 AM 25490 in reply to 25489

    Re: Landing a 737 without causing a crash - FSX - FSPassengers

    What I meant was a 2 hour flight with a full descent, rather than a 26nm hop from Blackpool to Liverpool.

    Currently flying Helsinki to Amsterdam take 2, take 1 aborted due to engine power discrepancy


    George Forster
    WWA2379
    Cat 4 Pilot
    HM Amsterdam (EHAM)
    Sim - FSX
    Addons - Radar Contact, FS PassengersX
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